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Oct 8, 2020

What doors would open and what would our lives unfold if we allowed ourselves to follow our curiosity?  Frances founded The Mind Lab and Tech Futures Lab and in this interview we focus in on her childhood, the role of her grandparents in her life, memories of photography (when you had 24 shots), leaving home age 16, what she learned from living overseas, the decision to return to New Zealand, our throw away mentality, working in digital education when it was a brand new field and how all this influenced the approach they take today at The Mind Lab and Tech Futures Lab.  We really spend time talking about decisions about career, future, money and feeling trapped by current roles as well and the courses they offer on this, including "Leading Change for Good" and "HeyFuture!".  I really enjoyed this interview and we had many many rabbit holes that we dived into which I always enjoy more!  

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The Mind Lab: Education innovators encouraging New Zealanders to upskill, explore and lead change

Tech Futures Lab: Tech Futures Lab connects industry experts with curious explorers, shedding light on opportunity and much-needed new ways of thinking and doing.

We mention some other resources in the interview, including the following interviews with others from Seeds:

Esther Whitehead on Neurodiversity:

John Berry on finding your Purpose:

Shanna Moe talk on what Adults can learn from Children:

Interview with Shanna on being 10:

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